Nashemun - Bazm e Adab - Congratulations

Mr Jamshaid ul Hasan President Pakistan Association of NZ would like to congratulate the Nashemun Team and its Leader on the successful arrangement and management of Bazm e Adab held this evening. Their activities are much appreciated and wish them all success in their efforts.

Pak Politics

We did try democracy , which was, and is alien to us through the history of Islam. Before British Raj , India was shackled in chains of feudalism which was inherited to us people.

Except for the first Caliphate, power throughout Islamic history has been won and lost by the sword. This is true of other civilizations as well but while the world of West was able to make the changeover from kingdoms and empires to nation-states, the world of Islam was unable to do the same on its own. The nation-states that constitute the Islamic ummah or commonwealth today came into being as a result or under the impact of colonialism.

We could not impose Islam on ourself, how can we impose it on other world, every Islamic stats has its own Islam, by such a interpretation that’s suits  to the ruler of stats, in past and present may be in future too, too much interference of religion in state matter forced Akbir Azam to form Din a Allahi, same reason king Herry of England tried his best to get rid of Romma church, which he could not , in his life time but his daughter did after his death, and I believe that was the first seed secularism, which allow man and man kind to get out of its boundaries to explain the unexplainable, every good thing come with price tag , and west has paid it and still paying it in shape of culture less society , in ours case we are only see the developments through glass window but we don’t dare to buy it because price tag is too high,                

         

Urdu Digest -Feb 2009

مستقبل کا روڈمیپ ۔ فروری ۲۰۰۹ء مستقبل کی تعمیر میں ہمارا ماضی اور ہمارا حال ایک اہم کردار ادا کرتے ہیں جبکہ ہم اس حوالے سے خوش نصیبی اور بدقسمتی کے درمیان سفر کرتے آئے ہیں۔ ہمارے ہاں معجزے بھی تخلیق ہوئے ہیں اور بڑے بڑے سانحات بھی ہماری تاریخ کا حصہ بنے ہیں۔ آج کے حالات جو ہر پہلو سے تکلیف دہ اور ہوشربا ہیں‘ وہ ہماری ماضی کی غلطیوں اور حال کی بے اعتدالیوں کا نتیجہ ہیں۔ ہمیں اپنے معاشرتی‘ سیاسی اور اخلاقی رویوں کا تنقیدی جائزہ لے کر مستقبل کا ایک قابل عمل روڈمیپ تیار کرنا ہو گا جو قوم کو ذہنی اور فکری زوال سے باہر لا سکے اور اس کی صلاحیتوں اور آرزوؤں کو تعمیروطن میں لگا سکے۔ گزشتہ ساٹھ باسٹھ برسوں میں ہمارے قومی وجود کے اندر شکست و ریخت کا جو عمل جاری رہا ہے‘ اس کے باعث ہمیں چند مہلک بیماریوں نے آ لیا ہے اور ان کے مؤثر تدارک اور علاج کے بغیر ہمارے لیے سنگین چیلنجوں کا مقابلہ دشوار تر ہو جائے گا۔ ہم یہاں روڈمیپ کے چند بنیادی خطوط تجویز کرتے ہیں۔ ۔ ایک محفوظ مستقبل کی تعمیر کے لیے ہمیں سب سے پہلے جمہوری اور سیاسی کلچر کو فروغ دینا ہو گا جو مسائل اور تنازعات کا حل مذاکرات کے ذریعے تلاش کرنے اور نظم حکومت عوام کی رائے کے مطابق چلانے کی تربیت دیتا ہے۔ جمہوری مزاج میں شائستگی‘ رواداری اور تحمل و برداشت کے اوصاف گندھے ہوتے ہیں جو معاشرے میں توازن قائم رکھنے اور اجتماعی معاملات کی عمدہ انجام دہی میں بہت مددگار بنتے ہیں۔ جمہوری ذہن کی تشکیل کے لیے ہمیں اپنے تعلیمی اداروں میں اس امر کا بطورِ خاص اہتمام کرنا ہو گا کہ طلبہ اور طالبات میں اختلاف رائے کا احترام پیدا ہو اور انہیں مشورے کے ساتھ اجتماعی امور طے کرنے کی عملی تربیت ملتی رہے۔ یہی تہذیبی رویہ ہماری سیاسی‘ سماجی اور دینی جماعتوں میں رائج ہونا چاہیے تاکہ جمہوری نظام کی بنیادیں مضبوط ہوں اور معاشرہ تباہ کن محاذ آرائی اور تنگ نظری سے محفوظ رہے۔ ۔ ہمیں اپنے ماضی کے ہولناک اثرات سے چھٹکارا پانے کے لیے فوری طور پر چند عملی اقدامات کرنا ہوں گے۔ سیاسی کلچر کی جڑیں کمزور ہونے کے باعث فوجی قیادت کو اقتدار پر قابض ہونے کے بار بار مواقع ملتے رہے جن سے ہمارا پورا ریاستی ڈھانچہ درہم برہم ہو کے رہ گیا‘ قومی ادارے مفلوج ہوئے اور عوام پس منظر میں چلے گئے۔ اب ہمیں جنرل پرویز مشرف کو انصاف کے کٹہرے میں لا کر انہیں آئین کے مطابق عبرت ناک سزا دینے کا عمل تیزی سے شروع کر دینا چاہیے۔ ماضی میں فوجی آمر بندوق کی طاقت سے آئین توڑنے اور ملکی وقار اور عوامی حاکمیت کو روندنے کی روایت آنے والوں کو منتقل کرتے رہے۔ فوج ان کی خواہشات کا آلۂ کار بنی رہی اور عوام کے اندر غیرمقبول ہوتی گئی۔ اس خطرناک رجحان کے مؤثر اور یقینی روک تھام کے لیے فوج کو اس اعلیٰ سطحی قیادت سے الگ کر کے مارشل لا نافذ کرنے والے ٹولے کا بہت کڑا احتساب کرنا ہو گا۔ جنرل پرویز مشرف نے دوبار آئین پر کاری ضرب لگائی‘ پاکستان کو امریکہ کے ہاتھوں گروی رکھ دیا اور ڈالروں کے لالچ میں اسے دہشت گردی کی آماجگاہ بنا دیا۔ انہیں کراموویل کی طرح عبرت کا نشان بنا دینے کی ضرورت ہے تاکہ آئندہ کسی طالع آزما جرنیل کو زمامِ اقتدار سنبھالنے کا خیال ہی نہ آئے۔ ۔ ماضی کی دوسری بڑی لعنت سیاسی اقتدار کی اذیت ناک جنگ ہے جس کا خاتمہ ایک مستحکم مستقبل کے لیے ازبس ضروری ہے۔ اس جنگ میں سب سے بڑا کردار سول اور ملٹری بیوروکریسی نے ادا کیا اور سیاسی لیڈروں کی جاہ طلبی نے اسے ایندھن فراہم کیا۔ پاکستان مسلم لیگ جو آل انڈیا مسلم لیگ کی وارث بنی‘ وہ اعلیٰ درجے کی سیاسی اور اخلاقی تربیت سے محروم ہونے کے باعث حکومت میں آنے کے ابتدائی مہینوں ہی میں دھڑوں میں تقسیم ہو گئی اور اس کے اندر سے راتوںرات ایک سیاسی جماعت قائم ہو گئی‘ جو شاطر بیوروکریسی کے اشاروں پر رقص کرتی رہی۔ یہ اس لیے ممکن ہوا کہ قیادت ایک فطری ارتقا کے طور پر آگے آنے کے بجائے حادثاتی طور پر مسلط ہوتی رہی۔ بدقسمتی سے سیاسی کارکن ہر مرحلے پر نظرانداز کیے جاتے رہے اور خوشامدی ٹولے خاندانی قیادتوں کے گرد منڈلاتے رہے۔ اس کا نتیجہ یہ نکلا کہ سیاسی جماعتوں کا عوام سے رشتہ کمزور پڑتا گیا اور وہ بنیادی مسائل حل کرنے میں بڑی حد تک ناکام رہیں۔ جنرل ضیائ الحق کی حکومت کے خاتمے پر ملک میں دو سیاسی جماعتیں اُبھر کر سامنے آئیں‘ مگر وہ ایک دوسرے کا احترام کرنے کے بجائے اقتدار کی ہوس میں ایک دوسرے کے خلاف صف آرا ہو گئیں اور قوم کے دس سال خطرناک سیاسی محاذ آرائی کی نذر ہو گئے اور ملک پر ایک بار پھر فوجی آمر نے قبضہ کر لیا۔ اس دردناک انجام سے دونوں بڑی سیاسی جماعتوں نے سبق سیکھتے اور اپنی غلطیوں کا اعتراف کرتے ہوئے مئی ۶۰۰۲ئ میں میثاق جمہوریت پر دستخط کیے اور یہ طے پایا کہ وہ آئندہ ایک دوسرے کے مینڈیٹ کا احترام کریں گے اور ایک باوقار اور صحت مند اپوزیشن کی طرح ڈالیں گے۔ ایک مضبوط مستقبل کے لیے میثاق جمہوریت کے الفاظ و معانی پر عمل درآمد انتہائی ناگزیر ہے۔ پیپلز پارٹی‘ جو اس وقت حکومت میں ہے‘ اس کی قیادت پر لازم ہے کہ وہ اپنی حد سے بڑھی ہوئی خواہشات پر قابو رکھے اور عوامی جذبات کو سب سے زیادہ اہمیت دے۔ ہم آج ایک ایسے مقام پر کھڑے ہیں جہاں مخلصانہ ٹھوس اقدامات کے ذریعے اعلیٰ روایات کی ایک نئی دنیا تعمیر کی جا سکتی ہے‘ مگر عام تاثر یہ ہے کہ صدر آصف علی زرداری نے اپنے آپ کو بعض ایسی مجبوریوں کے شکنجے میں کس لیا ہے یا کوشش ناتمام کے ایک ایسے سحر میں گرفتار ہو چکے ہیں کہ قومی زندگی میں طوفان اور بحران اُمڈے چلے آ رہے ہیں جو خاکم بدہن پاکستان کو ایک ناکام ریاست کی طرف دھکیل سکتے ہیں۔ ۔ http://www.altafhasanqureshee.com/hkkh/feb2009.php To read more pl go to the link above.....Thanks

Governor Raj

Pakistan Muslim league worker alleged that Asif Ali Zardari had created anarchy in the country and had turned out to be a dictator. They said by imposing the governor’s rule in the Punjab, Zardari had proven himself to be an undemocratic ruler.

we hope it would not be an invitation to HEAVY BOOTS

Sabz Gumbad kay saay talay

Answer Machine

Hi. This is Sunil. If you are the phone company, I already sent the money. If you are my parents, please send money. If you are my bank, you didn't lend me enough money. If you are my friends, you owe me money. If you are a female, don't worry, I have LOTS of money.

Sunday March 22nd....Franklin Multicultural Festival

Cultural Festival Sunday 22 March 2009

at Pukekohe Intermediate School,
     Queen Street, Pukekohe

from 9am-2pm

Imams fail in their desired role: Naif

Imams fail in their desired role: Naif



MAKKAH: Imams of Saudi mosques have failed in guiding young Saudis away from extremist ideologies that pose a serious threat to the security and stability of the country, according to Interior Minister Prince Naif.

“The more than 15,000 mosques in the country constitute the best forums for guidance, but the imams have failed miserably in discharging their duties,” Prince Naif said after opening a seminar on Human Rights in Higher Education and Intellectual Security at Umm Al-Qura University in Makkah on Wednesday night.

“Frankly speaking, I would like to say that the imams of mosques, with the exception of the two holy mosques, have not played their desired role (in the fight against extremism),” Prince Naif said.

“The introduction of topics related to human rights in the education or any other area of life does not mean that our society is ignorant or deficient in human values as some quarters have been portraying,” Prince Naif told an audience that included Minister of Higher Education Khaled Al-Anqari and Rector of Umm Al-Qura University Adanan Wazzan.

The prince stressed the significant role universities had to play in keeping the young Saudis away from the dangers of destructive ideologies. “Since universities are centers of research, it is their duty to study ways to root out ideas that distort religion and defame the nation,” he said.

The interior minister urged intellectuals in Saudi universities to shoulder their responsibility in keeping society free of extremist ideologies. “Intellectual security is by no means less important than public security,” he said.

He pointed out that the security of a country was closely related with scientific achievements. “Universities should be capable of contributing to the service of the country and it is in line with the teaching of Islam which urges its followers to benefit from fruits of learning,” he said.

Prince Naif said by following the true path of Islam the Muslims would be able to achieve security and stability everywhere. He said the late King Abdul Aziz, founder of the Kingdom, had striven to introduce modern sciences into the country and to convince the people of their importance.

“After the unification of the country, King Abdul Aziz’s concerns were about the people’s education and their security, and his sons followed the footsteps of their great father in this respect,” he said.

While speaking with the faculty members of the university, the prince expressed his hope that no harm would come to the country, which was always defended well. The interior minister commended the achievements of the soldiers and other security organs in the past in foiling the destructive designs of terrorists.

“We have proved to the world that the Saudi security forces are capable of confronting the challenges of the deviant ideology though the country was the main target of extremist plots,” Prince Naif said.

While commending the strong cooperation between citizens and the security forces, the prince stressed the role of the citizens as the first line of the defense of the country against all kinds of enemies.

Coke....Who is going to drink it when it is a risk..

FOR YOUR INFORMATION:
#1. the active ingredient in Coke is phosphoric acid. It will dissolve a nail in about four days. Phosphoric acid also leaches calcium from bones and is a major contributor to the rising increase of osteoporosis.

#2. To carry Coca-Cola syrup (the concentrate) the commercial trucks must use a hazardous Material place cards reserved for highly corrosive materials.

#3. The distributors of Coke have been using it to clean engines of the trucks for about 20 years!

Now the question is, would you like a glass of water? or Coke? 

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Bulla Shah

Bulleh Shah - A great Sufi Poet

Bulleh Shah was a Punjabi Sufi poet, believed to have lived from 1680 to 1758.  his poems include a signature line which contains his name. Bulleh Shah was settled in Kasur,  in Pakistan. His spiritual master was Shah Inayat Qadiri of Lahore.

           The ancestral village of Bulleh Shah was Uch Gilaniyan in Bahawalpur, now a part of Pakistan. From there his family first shifted to Malakwal (Multan District, Pakistan) and then to Pandoke, which is about 14 miles southeast of Kasur, Pakistan. Bulleh's real name was Abdullah Shah, but Bulleh was his nickname at home, and that is the name he chose to use as a poet. His family background was religious, his father being a highly religious person. Bulleh wrote primarily in Punjabi, but also in the local spoken language, Siraiki, which is a dialect of Sindhi. His style of poetry is called Kafi, which was already an established style with Sufis who preceded him. Several of his songs are regarded as an integral part of the traditional repertoire of Qawwali, the musical genre which represents the devotional music of the Sufis. The tomb of Bulleh Shah is in Kasur, and he is held in reverence by all Sufis of India and Pakistan.

 

 

Bulleh! ki jaana maen kaun Bulleh !

Na maen momin vich maseet aan
Na maen vich kufar diyan reet aan
Na maen paakaan vich paleet aan
Na maen moosa na pharaun.

Bulleh! ki jaana maen kaun

Na maen andar ved kitaab aan,
Na vich bhangaan na sharaab aan
Na vich rindaan masat kharaab aan
Na vich jaagan na vich saun.

Bulleh! ki jaana maen kaun.

Na vich shaadi na ghamnaaki
Na maen vich paleeti paaki
Na maen aabi na maen khaki
Na maen aatish na maen paun

Bulleh!, ki jaana maen kaun

Na maen arabi na lahori
Na maen hindi shehar nagauri
Na hindu na turak peshawri
Na maen rehnda vich nadaun

Bulla, ki jaana maen kaun

Na maen bheth mazhab da paaya
Ne maen aadam havva jaaya
Na maen apna naam dharaaya
Na vich baitthan na vich bhaun

Bulleh , ki jaana maen kaun

Avval aakhir aap nu jaana
Na koi dooja hor pehchaana
Maethon hor na koi siyaana
Bulla! ooh khadda hai kaun

Bulla, ki jaana maen kaun

Two good news for community's women

 ALLHAMDOLILLAH"Nashemun" has its own office at wesley community centre. our office, address, timings and days are as follow

740 Sandringham Rd extn 

Every Tuesday from 2p.m to 6p.m

Every Saturday from 3p.m to 6.pm

also we would be able to use the main hall of the Wesley centre on the last Saturday of  every month for our activities  from 6.p.m to 10.pm

The next good news is

we are staring cooking classes  for women at Roskill South Oasis centre 56 Glass Rd Mtroskill. from 24th of Feb every second and last monday of the month. Timing would be 9.30 to 11.30. registration is open now and classes are free of cost. anyone one who is interested in attending the cooking classes please send us an email on nashemun.nz@gmail.com    

Special General Meeting (SGM)- Pakistan Association of New Zealand (PANZ)

At the AGM of PANZ, held on 15th of Feb, this was decided to call a SGM to discuss some very important issues. So in light of that all our brothers are requested to attend a special General Meeting as under:

Date        Sunday the 15th of March 2009
Place      Will be announced later
Agenda   Will be conveyed later

It would be great of you to pass on this information to our friends / brothers so that a maximum turn out is there. Secondly if you have any suggestion then, pl feel free to send via email at panz01@gmail.com or via  a comment at this site

On behalf of
Mr Jamshaid ul Hassan
President PANZ
027 290 70 80

AGM Report

The big Bird arrives in Auckland

Emirates A380-800 arrived in Auckland Mr Tauqir Khan was one of the dinitaries to receive the plane

Pakistan Asociation

I am very disappointed and concerned how Pakistan Association is being operated. There is tug of war going on for self projection of few greedy people and Association is dead. no members nobody knows what is going on and suddenly there will be a function of 14th August and again dead.

There are some people whso are destroying the Association.  a food for thought 

Blood Balti 2009

Few month ago we thought that April is good month for Blood Balti , soon after summer holidays we started our home work , we requested any date in April , we received an massage from Blood Bank , No date is available in April + only closest date available is 27^th of November , which falls on Friday , which not only hard , but would be worthless as Friday is one of the busiest day for our community

It seems that we have to skip Blood Balti 2009 , But hang on … there is Blood Balti in Chakwal . Pakistan , Yes , few peoples in Pakistan are carrying the flag of blood Balti , their ways are bit deferent then NZ . Because of storage , What they do? They collect the name and ph numbers and blood type of potential donors . if some one need blood , with coordination of Blood Bank , blood Balti will contact donor and request him to donate blood bank . Although we can not send blood to Pakistan but we can sand something to celebrate about.

Kidher Gaiy Mallah

Why so much spending when he knows the murderer ? Any idea ? Is this true ?

UN probe financing

Tuesday, February 10, 2009 The government of Pakistan has to deposit $1.5 million by this week as seed money for a 'fact-finding' mission into the assassination of Benazir Bhutto. According to a rough estimate, a total of $30 million will be needed for the entire mission. As a national leader and a former two-time prime minister, I think we should find the facts behind her death. However, I think taxpayers' funds should not be used to finance the probe. I have a more practical solution. All the members of the Bhutto family and all members of the PPP should sell some of their assets, both in Pakistan and abroad and generate money for this probe. If the money is still not generated, then the rich people of Pakistan must be voluntarily asked to contribute. If the money is still not generated, then the PPP should wait till such time that it has the money required to pay to the UN. But the poor people of Pakistan must not be made to pay. Omer Khan ( This is a letter publised in The News International )

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AGM Pakistan Association of NZ (PANZ)

Mr Jamshaid Ul Hassan President PANZ is happy to announce that the AGM will be held on 15th February 2009 (Sunday) at 6:00pm at

48 Oriana Ave
Lynfield

Kindly convey this information to all your friends. Please make all out effort to be there in time to have enough time to contribute to the betterment of community.

Regards

Jamshaid Ul Hassan
027290 7080

Vacant Vacancy - Vice President PANZ- Application Invited

The Vice President position with Pakistan Association of NZ has fallen vacant. Kindly fax your application on plain paper along with a membership application by 5:00pm  February 14, 2009.

For more information, please feel free to talk to PANZ President Mr Jamshaid Ul Hassan on
027 290 7080

Our brothers who read this information, kindly inform others..Thanks for that in advance

Membership application Form can be downloaded from this site.

Last date of submission of application Feb., 14, 2009

Fax Number 09 627 0016
Email r.h.electrical@hotmail.com

Pakistan nuclear scientist is free

 A court in Pakistan has freed Most honored nuclear scientist of Pakistan Abdul Qadeer Khan from house arrest.

Dr Khan, who has been under tight restrictions since 2004, can now leave home

and receive visitors.

 

 

First good move by PPP Govt .

 

 

Bandar Baant in Islamabad

Waitangi Day

Every year on 6 February, New Zealand marks the signing of the Treaty of Waitangi in 1840. In that year, representatives of the British Crown and over 500 Maori chiefs signed what is New Zealand’s founding document. The day was first officially commemorated in 1934, and it has been a public holiday since 1974.

For some people, Waitangi Day is a holiday; for many, and especially for Maori, it is the occasion for reflecting on the Treaty. Since the 1970s the style and mood of the commemorations on Waitangi Day have been influenced by the increasingly heated debate surrounding the place of the Treaty in modern New Zealand.

Waitangi Day is recognised as New Zealand's national day, but the long-standing tensions associated with it are always likely to surface in one form or another. The date is an important marker in the country's history. Recognition of the significance of the Treaty of Waitangi as the nation's founding document will continue to encourage leaders, communities and individuals to mark the day in new ways.

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"Dreaded Old Age"

I have always dreaded old age. I cannot imagine
anything worse than being old. How awful it must
be to have nothing to do all day long but stare at
the walls or watch TV? So last week, when the
President suggested we all celebrate Senior Citizen
Week by cheering up a senior citizen, I decided to do
just that. I would call on my new neighbor, an elderly
retired gentleman, recently widowed, and who, I
presumed, had moved in with his married daughter
because he was too old to take care of himself. I baked
a batch of cookies, and, without bothering to call (some
old people cannot hear the phone), I went off to brighten
this old guy's day.

When I rang the doorbell this "old guy" came to the door
dressed in tennis shorts and a polo shirt, looking about
as ancient and decrepit as Donny Osmond. "I'm sorry I
can't invite you in," he said when I introduced myself, "but
I'm due at the Racquet Club at two. I'm playing in the
semifinals today."

"Oh that's all right," I said. "I baked you some cookies..."

"Great!" he interrupted, snatching the box. "Just what I
need for bridge club tomorrow! Thanks so much!"

I continued, "...and just thought we'd visit a while. But
that's okay! I'll just trot across the street and call on
Granny Grady."

"Don't bother," he said. "Gran's not home; I know. I just
called to remind her of our date to go dancing tonight.
She may be at the beauty shop. She mentioned at
breakfast (at which house?) that she had an appointment
for a tint job."

. .... So I went home and called my Mother's cousin (age
83); she was in the hospital ... ... working in the gift shop. .
.... I called my aunt (age 74); she was on vacation in China. .
I called my husband's uncle (age 79). I forgot; ...... he was
on his honeymoon. ....

.... I still dread old age, now more than ever. I just don't
think I'm up to it.

A great cause -We all will be there Inshaallah BillaG................

Before Donating

	Get a good night’s sleep
	Have a good breakfast or lunch
	Drink extra water and fluids to replace the volume you will donate (avoid tea, coffee, or other beverages with caffeine)
	Eat iron-rich foods — red meat, fish, poultry or liver, beans, iron-fortified cereals, raisins and prunes

Avoid fatty foods, such as hamburgers, fries, or ice cream before donating. Tests for infections done on all donated blood can be affected by fatty materials — lipids — that appear in your blood for several hours after eating fatty foods. When this occurs and required testing cannot be performed, the blood may need to be discarded.

During the Donation

	Wear clothing with sleeves that can be raised above the elbow
	Show the staff any "good veins" that have been used successfully in the past to draw blood
	Relax
	Take the time to enjoy a snack and a drink in the refreshments area immediately after donating

After Donation

	Rehydrate by drinking plenty of fluids over the next 24-48 hours
	Avoid strenuous physical activity or heavy lifting for about five hours after donation
	If you feel light headed, lie down, preferably with feet elevated, until the feeling passes
	In rare cases when bleeding occurs after removing the bandage, apply pressure to the site and raise your arm for 3-5 minutes; if bleeding or bruising occurs under the skin, apply a cold pack to the area periodically during the first 24 hours
	If for any reason, something doesn’t feel right, call the number provided to you after your donation
	Enjoy the good feeling that comes with knowing that you may have saved as many as three lives.

Kalam BillaG

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